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[–]ElephantEarTag [score hidden]  (282 children)

Bill gates's ex-wife Melinda gave an interview in which she talked about Bill's friendship with Jeffrey Epstein being very upsetting to her and contributing to their divorce. But you can tell she wasn't allowed to say anything specific about the Epstein relationship or else Bill would sue the shit out of her.

the interview

[–]Ardnabrak [score hidden]  (180 children)

There was a PBS Newshour interview by Judy Woodruff with Bill Gates a few years ago.

He got real testy when she brought up Epsteine. She tried to get him to clarify his reasons for associating with him and he was not graceful at all with his response.

I lost a fair amount of respect for him right then.

Edit: the interview. Maybe he isn't as testy as I remember, but I didn't like his vibe.

[–]oofemism [score hidden]  (82 children)

Ahhh, well he's dead.... soo I guess you have to be careful... *shrug*

[–]aceshighsays [score hidden]  (72 children)

yeah.... and he kept circling back to his philanthropy.

[–]3xploringforever [score hidden]  (29 children)

Coincidentally, philanthropy is the way Epstein tried to remake his image after he was convicted for soliciting a minor. These fucks use philanthropy like hail Marys.

[–]dahlia-llama [score hidden]  (2 children)

There’s a phenomenal book about this exact concept, called Winners Take All

[–]atamosk [score hidden]  (0 children)

Great book. He got me started down the path but now I'm far more radical then him hahaha 🤣

[–]RazekDPP [score hidden]  (31 children)

Because the whole purpose of philanthropy is reputation cleansing.

Why Billionaires Won’t Save Us | Patriot Act with Hasan Minhaj | Netflix

[–]ohdogwhatdone [score hidden]  (18 children)

Same goes for Mr. Beast. Poverty porn at it's finest.

[–]Mccobsta [score hidden]  (11 children)

Just something about him gives me the creeps

He's definitely hiding a few bodies in his closet

[–]Sipikay [score hidden]  (3 children)

It’s the psychopathy.

The whole “this is what I am aware that a good person does” vibes.

[–]account_not_valid [score hidden]  (1 child)

"I'm smiling like how I've seen real people smiling. I don't understand why people do it, but it helps to make me seem like a real person too."

[–]wafflesareforever [score hidden]  (6 children)

How has nobody ever coached him on how not to use your hands like Mr. Burns from the Simpsons

[–]snowballkills [score hidden]  (0 children)

When you were the richest man for several years, you don't care about any feedback from others, pretty much anything in fact

[–]PersistentBadger [score hidden]  (2 children)

Bill's on the spectrum (he's never had an official diagnosis afaik, but he's talked about it). He's well known for stimming by rocking. This could be an example of hand posturing. He could probably control his body language in the way you're talking about, but I bet it would stress him out.

[–]stonkfrobinhood [score hidden]  (7 children)

Lol oh yeah he knew well before anyone. His vibe also tells me he might have been guilty of some shit too.

[–]FILTHBOT4000 [score hidden]  (5 children)

I mean, to be very frank, there's really no other reason to keep associating with him after his convictions. We have these billionaires and such that keep acting like they kept relations up with him because of 'tax and financial advice'... which is frankly a preposterously ridiculous claim. If you're very wealthy, you have firms like Blackrock, all the huge banks top wealth services, etc all vying for you to be their client. If you're someone like Bill Gates, Jamie Dimon himself and other financial sector CEOs are probably available to call for personal financial advice. There is zero upside and considerable downsides to continue relations with someone like Epstein unless something else is going on/went on.

[–]giggle_shift [score hidden]  (19 children)

Hiding behind philanthropy is a disgrace

[–]Doxxxxxxxxxxx [score hidden]  (2 children)

After working at a huge nonprofit… I feel you would find this is more common than not.

[–]giggle_shift [score hidden]  (1 child)

It doesn't surprise me. Feels like a crutch for the morals.

"I do bad things sometimes but look how much good I do for the world"

[–]SleepDeprivedGoat [score hidden]  (10 children)

There’s an unusual smugness about Bill Gates’ demeanor in this interview, but it especially comes to light when he brings up the fact that Epstein is dead. It looks like schadenfreude.

Here’s my speculation: * Bill Gates did something very very bad * Jeffrey Epstein attempted to blackmail/leverage this against Bill Gates, to gain even more money and power * Bill Gates felt hurt by this * Jeffrey Epstein died * Bill Gates now gets to revel in Epstein’s death and his leverage is lifted.

Why else would Gates feel so satisfied? I can’t find a simpler explanation…

[–]soulcaptain [score hidden]  (1 child)

That vibe is NERVOUS. He's usually a pretty confident guy but he's really just scared here and not sure what to say. Not proof of anything of course, but...interesting.

[–]bliggggz [score hidden]  (249 children)

Damn, I guess I have to throw out my Bill Gates hat and my giant flag with Bill Gates photoshopped to look like Rambo.

[–]Ok_Recognition_1089 [score hidden]  (39 children)

Don’t forgot to throw away your authentic ‘Bill Gates Endorsed Bocket Bussy’. I already threw mine out 😔

[–]Doongbuggy [score hidden]  (21 children)

dibs

[–]BashBandit [score hidden]  (16 children)

Too late, I already copped and am using it

[–]Interesting_Milk_130 [score hidden]  (4 children)

I went to the bar with my 21 year old girlfriend...

They called me a pedophile because I was 42. That totally ruined our 10 year anniversary.

[–]lordredsnake [score hidden]  (42 children)

I'm about to uninstall Windows 95

[–]VGFin [score hidden]  (33 children)

What about my Bill Gates Bible?!?!

[–]fuzzy_tilt [score hidden]  (6 children)

Damn. I ate my Bill Gates steak years ago

[–]CanadianAndroid [score hidden]  (6 children)

Who am I going to pledge fealty to now?

[–]Impossible_Moose_783 [score hidden]  (5 children)

Father Thiel is waiting with arms wide open

[–]sweetmotherofodin [score hidden]  (1 child)

What about my bill gates cologne?

[–]TheBrianWeissman [score hidden]  (1 child)

It’s right next to my Bill Gates coins and Bill Gates NFTs. 🙄

[–]chocolateboomslang [score hidden]  (5 children)

Not the Make America Gates Again hat!

[–]bliggggz [score hidden]  (2 children)

Nope, guy obviously hung out with Epstein so I can't publicly support him, I'm scraping off all my Bill Gates bumper stickers as we speak.

[–]Diddy_Block [score hidden]  (2 children)

Maybe now my family will start talking to me again after my fanatical worship of Bill Gates is over after seeing this picture.

[–]-Insert-CoolName [score hidden]  (3 children)

And I just bought a new Bring Back Vista hat. Damn.

[–]techdevjp [score hidden]  (1 child)

Never thought I'd want Vista again, but compared to what they're doing with Win11, Vista SP2 was a dream.

[–]kingkongsdingdong420 [score hidden]  (0 children)

How do I get rid of my bill gates as a superhero nfts?

[–]Diligent-Phrase436 [score hidden]  (4 children)

If people start using Linux instead, we could have a better world

[–]Ghost_4394 [score hidden]  (2 children)

No you don’t, GATES 2028 BABY!

[–]liter-ature [score hidden]  (1592 children)

I’m not even a little surprised

[–]Cosmic_Seth [score hidden]  (1314 children)

Bill Gates is one of the few that actually faced consequences for his actions.

His wife promptly divorced him. 

[–]Ohmyfuzzy69 [score hidden]  (465 children)

His ex-wife met Epstein and instantly thought he was bad people. She's been open about it.

[–]financefocused [score hidden]  (245 children)

Bill met Epstein to discuss charity to the Gates Foundation in 2011 AFTER it was already known that Epstein was a pedo. She divorced Bill when it became public. 

[–]TheDoethrak [score hidden]  (105 children)

She actually divorced Bill the moment their youngest kid turned 18. It only became public afterwards.

[–]BuddhistChrist [score hidden]  (67 children)

She actually divorced Bill because she was using an iPad behind his back and came clean when she discovered he hangs out with pedos.

[–]Gustomaximus [score hidden]  (111 children)

Bill met Epstein to discuss charity to the Gates Foundation

If you believe that Ive a bridge to sell you. He said Epstein could give him access to donors. Like Gates PA's could find rich people and say "Would you like lunch with Bill Gates some time".... pretty sure he could fill the year with elites that would want to meet one of the richest people in the world.

Then his other excuse was Epstein could help him get the nobel prize.... what prize? Its not chemistry. The only one is Peace, but Gates charity isnt focused on that, more vaccines type thing.

As amazing I'd think he could afford some PR that were better and making excuses!

[–]RT-LAMP [score hidden]  (7 children)

The only one is Peace, but Gates charity isnt focused on that, more vaccines type thing.

Norman Borlaug got the 1970 prize for improving the world agriculture.

Doctors Without Borders got the 1999 prize for being... doctors without borders.

And various other years have had prizes associated with human development rather than peace making directly.

[–]reddubi [score hidden]  (36 children)

The head of the Nobel committee hosted Epstein and gates at his house btw

[–]MagnetoWasRight24 [score hidden]  (9 children)

"He said Epstein could give him access to donors."

That's seriously what he went with? People in the nonprofit sector literally have a term called "the Gates effect" which is that the Gates Foundation is so powerful in the world of charitable donations that whatever approach they support becomes the standard and alternative plans can't get funding. They are literally the last people on earth who would need help getting access to donors.

[–]Alone_Storage_1897 [score hidden]  (18 children)

Errr, whatever else there are multiple Nobel prizes

[–]CrazyGunnerr [score hidden]  (5 children)

And otherwise he could always get the 'FIFA's bestest OS' prize.

[–]mondestine [score hidden]  (3 children)

By the way, the official name for the FIFA prize is the

"2025 'Who's a good boy? You're a good boy. Yes you are! Yes you are!' prize in excellence".

[–]bang_the_drums [score hidden]  (156 children)

Hearing the man himself speak sent shivers up my spine. Obviously I knew all about the degenerate shit he was up to but damn, I can't imagine a normal human being in the same room as Epstein and not getting the creeps.

[–]xternocleidomastoide [score hidden]  (142 children)

Which why, that Trump gave the creeps to someone like Epstein is extremely concerning.

[–]otis_the_drunk [score hidden]  (130 children)

Because DJT is a leech. A snitch. An upper crust grifter with no actual understanding of the things he thinks he's a part of.

He is a liability.

How the GOP has never grasped this concept is beyond me.

[–]Raesong [score hidden]  (10 children)

I think they did, it was just overridden by their "power at any cost" mentality.

[–]HavingNotAttained [score hidden]  (3 children)

They’re also in the files, or at least their key players are.

[–]dan_dares [score hidden]  (70 children)

Money.

The GOP can see the money they can make when he's in power. Pure greed.

[–]tbestor [score hidden]  (59 children)

The upper part I get, it’s the lower middle class god loving Christians falling in love with the physical embodiment of the 7 deadly sins that got me. You are voting against your interests monetarily, biblically, and in almost every way possible .. because you hate brown people? Like Jesus?

And the Latino vote. He’s saying he hates you and is going to deport you. This is seriously your guy?

[–]Lord_Ragnok [score hidden]  (1 child)

I’ve stopped trying to ascribe an sort of logic to them. If he told them to jump off a bridge, they would. Then those that survive would blame liberals for them being wet.

[–]Naliano [score hidden]  (5 children)

Plenty of Latinos hate other Latinos. The Latinos who think he’s not talking about them might vote for him.

[–]Force3vo [score hidden]  (1 child)

We've seen that with every demographic when Trump hurt them and they screamed "But I thought he'd only hurt the right people?"

I've seen articles with all kinds of people doing exactly this.

[–]jochexum [score hidden]  (3 children)

For the same reason this always happens

The people you are describing are desperate and insecure. They are losers, in an objective and nonjudgmental but very real way. They know this inherently but humans cannot function for long with that awareness intact

So they trade performance and theatre for a sense of belonging. They do this in their communities, they do this in their churches (which is why there is no alignment between Christianity they practice and Jesus’ teachings - they’re not their for humility and growth, they’re there for acceptance and ease)

So along comes Trump, just like a million similar men before him and a million more that will come after him. It doesn’t matter if what he says completely contradicts what Jesus or anyone else they’d ostensibly look to for direction. Because they’re not interested in coherence in a logical sense, they’re looking for acceptance and ease and belonging

And he delivers that. He would satiate a glutton. An American glutton who consumes the most empty vapid calories in existence and never has enough

You are great simply because you exist. Because you vote for me. Because you aren’t like them. You see things they don’t. You understand things they don’t. You’re a winner. It doesn’t matter if by all accounts you’re a loser - none of that’s your fault. It’s their fault. And we are going to stick it to them. Because that’s what winners do.

[–]Soggy_Instruction224 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Exactly this. Perfectly encapsulates the cognitive dissonance.

[–]Outrageous_Goose5567 [score hidden]  (2 children)

You are voting against your interests monetarily, biblically, and in almost every way possible .. because you hate brown people? Like Jesus?

I agree with you for the most part. Though I will say the "your interest" part does get murky. I agree that Democratic and progressive policies would help republican voters more especially if they're struggling, but a lot of them have shitty end goals. By "end goals" I mean once they get rich or make it, their views line up easily with the already rich corrupt republicans. When I used to talk to more republicans (especially to low/middle income Trump supporters), a lot of them talk about when they "make it" on being able to abuse others/becoming super controlling bosses/hogging wealth and resources etc. So they're not really "Christians," they're phonies that like to advertise themselves as being truthful and good.

Imo a lot of them are shitty people that see themselves in or want to be like Trump. They want to rip people off, they want be authoritarians, they want to do shitty things and not get any negative consequences. It's not something a lot of people want to admit, but I mean it's been proven time and time again that there are just a lot of shitty people out there (both in and outside of politics).

[–]hoopopotamus [score hidden]  (0 children)

He was weirdly not a liability to them is why. They were all against him until he won. Then it was “let’s ride this out, maybe Americans are even dumber than we thought”.

They were, too.

[–]lyngen [score hidden]  (0 children)

I'm pretty sure a bunch of them get that but he's easy to manipulate and gets a certain previously untapped group to the polls.

[–]ABeautiful_Life [score hidden]  (24 children)

Has she ever gone in detail or just assumptions? I would imagine she knows a great deal and could answer many questions. I wonder who is next on the list of pictures. This slow drop of elites is underwhelming and they are doing this on purpose to ease reactions I feel

[–]Sadimal [score hidden]  (5 children)

She has. She’s given multiple interviews right after her divorce and wrote about it in her memoir, The Next Day.

[–]beefz0r [score hidden]  (10 children)

I think releasing them in batches is a good approach. People get overwhelmed and desensitized quickly. If Bill Gates was among a release of more politically important people, nobody would care about Gates

Also if you release them all at once you have shot all your possible munitions at once.

[–]Donnie619 [score hidden]  (1 child)

As open as she could be without catching a flying lawsuit...

[–]Present_Cow_8528 [score hidden]  (11 children)

I mean. Epstein had already been convicted of soliciting a minor before she met him in 2011. Bigger things have come out since then but anyone who deliberately interacted with Epstein after 2008 is a guaranteed sick fuck. Not necessarily a pedophile, Epstein trafficked adults too even though his preference was young teens. But definitely sick.

[–]Woerterboarding [score hidden]  (608 children)

Yeah I thought the same. And she is spending his filthy money on something good. Why does it seem rich men become morally bankrupt? Or do they start out that way?

[–]ramonpasta [score hidden]  (266 children)

i mean you really cannot become a billionaire without being a shitty person in at least some aspects.

[–]TrumpsBussy_ [score hidden]  (35 children)

Yeah there’s very few examples in world history of someone attaining obscene wealth and not becoming morally compromised. One of the main reasons Marcus Aurelius is such a memorable and revered historical figure.

[–]RJFerret [score hidden]  (7 children)

Cincinnatus is my fave (more about power than wealth).

[–]PM-ME-DEM-NUDES-GIRL [score hidden]  (0 children)

the comment you are replying to is saying that you generally need to have some bad qualities to begin with BEFORE you become a billionaire, because they help you become one

[–]ThisIsPunn [score hidden]  (137 children)

Not to quibble, but Gates was a pretty well- established philanthropist before he got divorced. As in the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation was largely responsible for eradicating malaria in Africa and making major strides in stopping the AIDS epidemic.

Guy might be a dirtbag on a personal level, but it's a stretch to say he never did any good with his money before the divorce.

[–]Q_J [score hidden]  (5 children)

I used to work at the Novartis Institute of Tropical Diseases, trying to discover new anti-malarials. We partnered extensively with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to help fund new anti-malarial research. It was a really good feeling being part of that effort, since Malaria is such a massive and deadly issue, yet also grossly underfunded.I will always respect the foundation if not the man.

[–]Diggsi [score hidden]  (56 children)

One of the biggest most effective charity actions in history.

[–]sinsculpt [score hidden]  (45 children)

People can be both bad and good, unfortunately.

[–]weltvonalex [score hidden]  (25 children)

This is reddit, people here have the comprehension abilities of a toddler. It's black or White and nothing more.

[–]Painterzzz [score hidden]  (6 children)

Not just a reddit problem that, it's become an entire cultural issue.

I remember about a decade ago watching the rise of Purity Culture on Tumblr, where the progressive section of the population that used Tumblr was seduced into this very black and white thinking where either a person was 100% good, or the second they showed any sort of human frailty, they were suddenly 100% bad. And I thought shit, i hope that doesn't break containment and spread.

[–]advisarivult [score hidden]  (3 children)

It’s more than a stretch, the Gates Foundation does incredible work…

[–]Gurkhaz [score hidden]  (4 children)

Malaria isn't eradicated in Africa, what are you talking about? They contributed to eradicating wild polio and in the effort against guinea worm, where incidence dropped by like 99%

EDIT: Though the foundations contribution towards fighting malaria is very important, so kudos where kudos is due

[–]spingus [score hidden]  (11 children)

the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation was largely responsible for eradicating malaria in Africa

That's just simply not true, malaria has not been eradicated in Africa. They do great work and have made a positive impact on reducing malaria but in 2024 there were 265M cases in Africa.

Perhaps you're thinking of the polio eradication partnership? the wild polio virus has not been fully eradicated but we are tantalizingly close with some heartbreaking setbacks due to politics and war

[–]Varides [score hidden]  (39 children)

You typically have to break from standard morales to reach the level where you can accrue that kind of networth imo

[–]tusharmittal45 [score hidden]  (17 children)

My grandpa used to say in hindi- bina logo ki gand mare koi bada admi ni ban sakta, which translates to no one can become filthy rich without screwing a lot of people in the way..

[–]Alhaxred [score hidden]  (6 children)

It's difficult to become extremely wealthy without at least flexible morals.

As they say, if we found a monkey that hoarded bananas while the others around it starved, we'd study that monkey to understand what went wrong. When humans do it, though, we celebrate them 

[–]Cl1mh4224rd [score hidden]  (4 children)

Why does it seem rich men become morally bankrupt? Or do they start out that way?

You don't get to be that rich by caring about people.

[–]braumbles [score hidden]  (0 children)

Honestly, the same reason power corrupts. When you can buy anything or do anything, few wouldn't push the limits. As we see in society today.

[–]L0ckeandD3mosthenes [score hidden]  (74 children)

He even admitted that he screwed up and never should have went to his island.

So I think we are going to see different kinds of sex crimes. Some regular prostitutes and trafficking and then the ones who like underage. At least I'm hoping not everyone is a pedo.

[–]AmishAvenger [score hidden]  (39 children)

He never said that, because there’s no evidence he went to the island.

Here’s the thing: Epstein operated by expanding his social circle and climbing the ladder. He wormed his way into all sorts of high society groups. It’s how he maintained this air of legitimacy.

Gates met with Epstein because he was told he could connect him with a number of high rollers who’d donate to the Gates Foundation. It’s the same way Epstein got in with Bill Clinton. He was flying him on his plane around Africa.

Obviously it should all be investigated, but not everyone who was in a picture with Epstein or had meetings with him automatically did anything wrong.

It’s not like Bill Gates was buddies with Epstein for years and years and was in numerous pictures and videos with him at numerous parties. Nor is it like Bill Gates made a creepy drawing with a creepy note in a creepy birthday book.

And Bill Gates didn’t own and operate a teenage beauty pageant, either.

[–]Alternative_Year_340 [score hidden]  (0 children)

The NYT had an excellent article about how Epstein got his money and connections. (He got the money by stealing it. With zero consequences)

Offering rich and famous people free trips on private planes is a great way to expand your social circle.

[–]Odd-Set3480 [score hidden]  (16 children)

I think this is the most likely case. Everyone of those involved with Epstein and the Island should be scrutinized with regards to their relationship. I'm fairly sure that most will be involved with the sex work side of the issue too, to differing degrees - some will just have known about it, others maybe didn't know about the trafficking and the minors, others should just burn in hell. Even in those cases where they argue they didn't know, it should be considered whether they should/could have known or not.

I'm fairly sure that, even if It's always sunny did joke about it (with Franks quote about going only to snorkel) at least a few people just were invited to a private Caribbean and went, had a (reasonably normal, no crimes aside from financial) vacation.

What worries me the most about the releases of data regarding epstein is whether people Will actually read and extract reasonable information, or just see a name, dont consider anything about It and go try to attack the person for being named there, as this would basically make the innocent pay and make It substantially easier for the guilty

[–]teflon_soap [score hidden]  (1 child)

Let’s get some actual consequences all round next

[–]BellyCrawler [score hidden]  (1 child)

They'd been separated for years before that. I highly doubt she was in the dark and then found out and had a crisis of conscience.

[–]pdxrains [score hidden]  (61 children)

Yep. What I keep saying is, Pizza Gate-ers…here is your conspiracy. It involves Trump 1000% and a lot of other folks, some democrats, some republicans. There’s nothing sneaky and hard to figure out…the sex trafficker was Epstein and your boy Trump was his BEST BUD. It also happens to be that other rich people like Billy Gates here was in on some of the action. Bring em all the fuck down, I say.

[–]TVPaulD [score hidden]  (15 children)

This is the thing, really, isn’t it? They never actually cared about children being abused like the rest of us do, what they cared about was being the contrarians with the “secret knowledge” and being able to use it against the people they don’t like to the benefit of the people they do.

[–]Xerox748 [score hidden]  (2 children)

A bunch of uninteresting, under achieving, losers who were given the opportunity to finally feel special.

[–]compute_fail_24 [score hidden]  (1 child)

For real, if they want something spicy they just have to realize Trump is not supreme leader, he is a pedophile rapist just like many others

[–]Real_Estate_Media [score hidden]  (0 children)

Apologies to the staff at Comet Pizza

[–]chironomidae [score hidden]  (3 children)

If the majority of the world thought the earth was flat, conspiracy theorists would claim it was round

[–]peppaz [score hidden]  (101 children)

I'm not saying this picture means anything nefarious, but her body language is fucked

[–]SajakiKhouri [score hidden]  (11 children)

Don't get me wrong, Gates is a POS for even remotely associating with Epstein after he was convicted, but this image by itself is kind of pointless. You can't tell if it's a minor vs. a 30 year old conservatively dressed woman.

Without further context you couldn't tell this apart from any of the thousands of photos of Gates in a hallway with some random person in a random building.

[–]fang_xianfu [score hidden]  (1 child)

Yeah this picture is pretty weak circumstantial evidence but there's lots of other evidence.

Like if this was Keanu Reeves in the picture we'd be praising him for keeping his hands in his pockets like people praise the quite well known "hover hands" pictures of him. In fact I'm pretty sure I've seen pictures of Keanu with his hand in his pocket in galleries of "hover hands" pictures.

[–]-ineedsomesleep- [score hidden]  (6 children)

Blacking out her face makes it automatically seem so dodgy lol

[–]huntrshado [score hidden]  (4 children)

the face is blacked out because that is how the pictures from the epstein files are being released; all the faces of the women are being redacted for their own safety. Because at the end of the day, the women's identities don't matter, all we actually care about are who used Epstein's service.

[–]uptwolait [score hidden]  (234 children)

MAGA: "The Epstein files are full of Democrats, and liberals are going to face the consequences of all their horrible actions."

Liberals: "The Epstein files are full of pedophiles, and they should ALL face the consequences of ALL of their horrible actions."

[–]RoyalClashing [score hidden]  (89 children)

America is so fucking weird, why are there like only 2 different political sides? I dont like it

[–]vespertilionid [score hidden]  (15 children)

American here: I don't like it either! Our founding fathers SPECIFICALLY warned us against a 2 party system

[–]RegisPhone [score hidden]  (6 children)

but then also gave us a voting method that makes a 2 party system mathematically inevitable, and made it so you'd need both parties to agree to get rid of it

[–]saumanahaii [score hidden]  (1 child)

To be fair they probably set it up as best they could with what they knew. A sketchy Google suggests proportional representation was first used in Belgium in 1899 (though apparently John Adams did write about it in 1776, more theoretically) and ranked choice by Australia I'm 1918. Personally I think it's on the later generations who knew it was a problem and knew of solutions and chose not to reform the system.

[–]SenatorWhatsHisName [score hidden]  (9 children)

Because that benefits the mega rich and the mega rich own all the media.

[–]YesNoMaybe [score hidden]  (0 children)

That's the natural result of a first past the post, winner-takes-all voting system. 

[–]bkaiser85 [score hidden]  (7 children)

MAGATS: unless it’s our beloved dear leader/demented dictator/moscows puppet. 

[–]lyidaValkris [score hidden]  (93 children)

That's nice. Now release the Trump photos that everyone, except the most moronic of americans, knows exists. Stop deflecting. We've known about bill gates for years.

EDIT: I'm not answering any more replies.

[–]trumpelstiltzkin [score hidden]  (14 children)

"[News Headline]: trUmP mIgHt Be In ThE EpStEin FiLeS"

It's been grinding my gears how people act like it's some cliffhanger whether he's in them; even leftwing streamers/podcasters, who keep forgetting that literally tons of Epstein files are already released and Trump was in them. It's like news articles that keep saying we're finding hints that Earth might be round.

[–]Sufficient-Bed-6746 [score hidden]  (8 children)

Its because so many seem to cling on to the hope than as soon as they release, the majority will accept that he is in fact in them and guilty and then consequences will follow. They hope that this miserable chapter of orangeman will end without them really doing anything different. Its on one hand their last straw to cling on and on the other hand really comfortable. Deep inside a lot already know by now that even if a judge rules that he is guilty, nothing will happen.

At this point these files are just huge copium. As sad as this is….

[–]hkun89 [score hidden]  (190 children)

So what does this prove exactly?

[–]derpyfox [score hidden]  (78 children)

That Bill was in a hallway with a woman.

[–]nytsei921 [score hidden]  (23 children)

oh shit, that’s big news

[–]Neve4ever [score hidden]  (17 children)

He's the fucking Windows guy, and yet I'm just seeing hallways and fucking doors. Not a good look.

[–]PrimeraStarrk [score hidden]  (0 children)

I mean Gates is a massive dork, it is somewhat shocking to see him that close to a woman. /j

[–]SpecialistSolid6689 [score hidden]  (19 children)

This is what im thinking.. People talk like it is next lvl shit..and...its a picture with gates and somebody that looks like a picture you take with a fan.

[–]aaronupright [score hidden]  (0 children)

Square root of fuck all. Either way.

[–]mrpickles [score hidden]  (7 children)

Bill Gates was in a hallway once

[–]calf [score hidden]  (0 children)

It proves social media is a cause of brain rot

[–]SvenTropics [score hidden]  (273 children)

It could also just be some woman that wanted a picture with Bill Gates. He's not on any of the flight logs to the island. Not saying he is innocent (I have no idea), but this picture doesn't indict him at all. He's not even touching her. (No arm around her shoulders or anything), and she's not dressed in a way that would make you think something was gonna happen.

[–]MonsterMufffin [score hidden]  (15 children)

Had to scroll down too far for this common sense take. People are too quick to come up with their own theories despite having 0 evidence. If anyone has any actual evidence that he was involved in this shit I'm happy to see it.

[–]ryanlaxrox [score hidden]  (15 children)

It does appear to be in a corridor or lobby area of a public hotel so that is plausible

Edit to add: airport terminal is most likely place

[–]snailyugi [score hidden]  (1 child)

Not defending bill gates but conferences are at hotels

[–]Not-An-FBI [score hidden]  (1 child)

Yeah. Gates was really famous in the 90s and 2000s. Easily the top 10 most famous people back then.

[–]Jester1877 [score hidden]  (3 children)

I think it’s more the fact that Epstein had a signed bill from Gates displayed at his house in NY. I don’t know if Gates is involved but I’m not going to bet against it either.

[–]BumpyMcBumpers [score hidden]  (329 children)

I mean, this is just a photo of him in a hallway with someone who is the same size as him. I'm not saying whether he's a pedo or not, but we can't even tell if this person is 13 or 30.

[–]mishap1 [score hidden]  (35 children)

Given Epstein tried to use Gates’ affair with the Russian bridge player to blackmail him, I feel like he didn’t get that much on Gates.

Not saying Gates is clean but given all the heinous shit Epstein was up to, leaning on Gates to join his “charity”by bringing up his mistress is pretty tame especially in billionaire world.

[–]strict_positive [score hidden]  (6 children)

Is that essentially what all these photos are? Just evidence for blackmailing? Because it’s strange to think Bill Gates would be ok with this photo being taken or prince andrew about his photo.

[–]Grow_away_420 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Some of them are just weird as shit. Like Bannon and Epstein sitting in their office talking. Why is a photographer there? He's not a politician, this shit wasn't intended to be published. His goal is clearly creating blackmail material on anyone with power, influence or money.

[–]Korbital1 [score hidden]  (1 child)

It all depends when and where the photo is taken. If it was during the only known meeting between him and Epstein- well this is absolutely nothing because he went with a whole team and there's no chance he did anything.

[–]Ver_Void [score hidden]  (66 children)

Yeah Bill with someone who's probably a conservatively dressed woman of unknown age, this isn't exactly a smoking gun

[–]KoalaOriginal1260 [score hidden]  (16 children)

Not drawing conclusions either way, but it's not like he sent a highly suggestive birthday message with a fairly explicit drawing of a nude girl to Epstein and stated they shared beautiful secrets in the text.

[–]yungsausages [score hidden]  (27 children)

Yeah honestly just looks like post-business meeting or something, given it’s a hotel hallway and the doors behind them aren’t doors leading to actual hotel rooms, also their attire is fairly business casual which would make sense for that scenario

[–]Young_Bonesy [score hidden]  (7 children)

Add to that, Bill Gates is famous so its fairly realistic that some people might want to get a picture with him. Epstiens a monster, but he was also a finance guy who conducted regular business like everyone else, presumably more often than he was fucking kids, so normal business people would take photos like this.

Its somewhat of a slippery slope to think that every photo he has is of child fucking clients of his ilicit practices, unless its Trump. Im fairly certain they were business partners in the illicit shit.

[–]jordansrowles [score hidden]  (8 children)

Or its a, "Oh shit that was the richest and one of the most famous men on the planet at one point. Can we get a picture together?'

Im going to need more evidence than this. Like a drawing of questionable boobies in a birthday card, a 'our little secret' kind of evidence. These are heinous crimes after all

[–]Armthedillos5 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Where was this taken? This looks like the lobby of a hotel or event center, and definitely doesn't look like the other Epstein Island photos.

[–]Mindless-Challenge62 [score hidden]  (3 children)

I feel this way about a lot of the pictures, even the pictures with people and Epstein himself. Pics on the island or even the plane are sketchy for sure. Pics at a banquet or otherwise out in public? Who knows what that person knew.

[–]std_out [score hidden]  (6 children)

She looks like an adult to me but hard to say with her face blacked out. And famous people takes countless pictures with random people in hallways and he is just standing next to her and keeping his hands to himself so that picture tells us nothing.

[–]MudReasonable8185 [score hidden]  (2 children)

This is the least damning smoking gun I’ve ever seen lol. Dude is standing next to what appears to be an adult woman in a random office building. They’re both dressed business casual so it looks like they just got out of some mind numbingly boring meeting

[–]smellybulldog [score hidden]  (80 children)

Without context this is pretty meaningless, celebrities take phots like this everywhere they go.

[–]DentistPitiful5454 [score hidden]  (12 children)

Like those people who use photos of Brad pit with female fans to talk about his abuse of women like yeah he abused women but why are you showing me random photos of people he likely didn't abuse?

[–]pumpymcpumpface [score hidden]  (8 children)

Theres probably photos just like this of bill gates with thousands and thousands of different people.

[–]FizzyBeverage [score hidden]  (5 children)

My late grandmother has a photo just like this with Bill. Taken at a bridge tournament in New York City. Bill is an avid bridge player.

[–]Shermanator92 [score hidden]  (9 children)

Okay? If he’s found culpable of wrongdoing, hold him accountable. Extremely easy concept.

[–]petrichorax [score hidden]  (23 children)

This is a picture of Bill standing next to a woman. What's the scandal?

[–]shoxicwaste [score hidden]  (25 children)

If i saw Bill Gates in person, I would ask him for a photo. does this also mean he sexually exploited me?

I'm not saying he didn't do something dirty over there, but what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

[–]Grouchy_Release_2321 [score hidden]  (4 children)

Exactly. It's literally just a photo. It means absolutely fuck all without more context. How does this prove he has sex with kids?

[–]hateboresme [score hidden]  (13 children)

People pose with famous people. Need more evidence of guilt. Tired of bullshit. Trump. Give me something significant on Trump.

[–]AVBofficionado [score hidden]  (6 children)

Does anybody else feel like Epstein deliberately took photos of these celebrities, not necessarily but sometimes in questionable situations, to gain lasting leverage over them? He knew simply associating with him was dangerous. He used that to gain power.

[–]captain_arroganto [score hidden]  (22 children)

God, most of this sub is thinking like trump.

A single photo is enough evidence for a wrong doing?

Trump has truly poisoned the well.

[–]Final-Choice8412 [score hidden]  (1 child)

nah, people are stupid even without trump. trump is just amplifier

[–]WellEllipsis [score hidden]  (6 children)

I’m actually starting to believe that the internet is 90% bots. I’m not a Bill Gates fanboy but do 10k people really think this is significant? It’s a picture of him with a person we have no real context for.

[–]Ektojinx [score hidden]  (4 children)

Critical thinking is a dying art. Its becoming easier and easier to manipulate people into thinking whatever you want them to.

No generation is immune.

[–]Americano_Joe [score hidden]  (2 children)

Oh, my! A highly public figure, one of the most well-known on the face of the planet for the past 40 years, is in a photo taken in a public place with someone. Well, if that's not incriminating evidence, then IDK what is.

[–]MakeUrMomProud [score hidden]  (23 children)

This looks like a normal photograph tho? Maybe she's a fan of Bill Gates's contribution to technology. If he's actually a pedo, why would he pose for this? I know billionaires are assholes, but this isn't it man.

[–]elephantf4ce [score hidden]  (1 child)

Good thing he isn't the president of the united states then

[–]truePHYSX [score hidden]  (6 children)

Girl or woman? What year was this photo? I have so many questions. If there’s more evidence then let’s do something with it and charge him. A redacted photo is suspicious but not actionable.

[–]Slevin424 [score hidden]  (3 children)

Releasing everyone's photos but Trumps huh